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> The consist on the right was identified as the Florida Special
> so I was wondering what the consist on the left identified.
Hand-written on the scan as the East Coast Champion.
Just some quick car notes.
Both ACL #103 and #106 were built by Budd as baggage-dorm-chairs in 1940 and 1947 respectively, both had their chair sections removed in 1951, and both went to Amtrak. #106 got converted to HEP and was still on the roster until it was sold in 2001, no clue where it went. Sister #107 also got HEP, retired in 1996, no info.
ACL #203 and #204 were both originally 60 seat chairs built by Budd in 1939, seating reduced to 56 in 1966, and both went to Amtrak. The #203 is/was at the Bluegrass RR Museum, Versailles, KY (formerly owned by the LA&L/WNY&P, and Steam Associates before that).
ACL #229, #234, #246, and #250 were all 54 seat chairs built by P-S in 1950, and all went to Amtrak. #234 was later acquired in 1977 by the MEC supposedly for MofW service, but it could have perhaps seen excursion duty? (Recalling some slides Marty Bernard posted here a ways back.) #242 was later acquired in 1980 by the Western NY RHS.
ACL #250 (2nd) was an additional 54 seat chair built in 1954 by P-S as a shell and completed by the ACL at Rocky Mount, originally planned as the #205 (2nd) but changed to #250 (2nd). Also went to Amtrak, to B.W. Wallace in 1983.
ACL Winter Haven was a 64 seat all-table diner, ex-C&O #1970 (52 seats), built by Budd for the cancelled Chessie, paired with a kitchen-dormitory, #128 (ex-C&O #1940; originally had a small lunch counter-lounge that was removed by the ACL in combination with the locker room to create a dorm space). 1 of 3 sets, all of which were acquired by the ACL and which later all went to the Auto Train Corp. (the all-table diners modified to 50 seat buffet lounges).
ACL Port Tampa was a 64 seat all-table diner, ex-C&O #1977 Swan Tavern, built by P-S, like the Winter Haven above, paired with a kitchen-dormitory, #125 (ex-C&O #1954 Swan Kitchen), 1 of 8 total sets, 2 sets were acquired by the ACL, and also both later went to the ATC (and again, the all-table diners modified to 50-seat buffet lounges).
Interesting that both of these above cars are not listed on the images shown as paired with their respective kitchen-dorms...were these being used as lounges only for coach class passengers at that point, or did the ACL simply not list the attached kitchens? (I do see that both are noted as 'TV' for 'tavern', so maybe that was indeed the case, in light meal/refreshment/lounge service only.)
4 of the 10-6 County-series sleepers built by P-S are listed: Pinellas County, Marion County, Putnam County, and Cumberland County. All 4 of these went to Amtrak; Pinellas County is/was stored down in San Luis Potosi, Mexico; Marion County was in the collection of the Indiana Transportation Museum but was scrapped in July 2018.
4 of the former NYC 4-4-2 Imperial-series (later Bridge-series) sleepers that ACL acquired in 1962 and modified to 4DR-4C sleepers (by replacing the 4 DB's with 2 additional DR's) are listed: Savannah River (ex-NYC #10021 Bear Mountain Bridge, nee-Imperial Castle), Manatee River (ex-NYC #10029 Suspension Bridge, nee-Imperial Arch), Suwanee River (2nd) (ex-NYC #10025 High Bridge, ex-Imperial Mansion), and Ortega River (ex-NYC #10022 Bay Bridge, nee-Imperial Falls).
Virginia Beach and Ponte Vedra Beach are both 6DB sleeper-buffet lounges, and both went to Amtrak. Virginia Beach is now owned by the Louisiana RR Heritage Trust and Ponte Vedra Beach is now owned by the Wisconsin Great Northern.
48 seat diner Orlando, nee-18 seat diner-24 seat lounge St. Petersburg, built by Budd in 1947, renamed in 1950, reconfigured in 1952, wrecked in 1968 at Winter Haven, FL.
48 seat diner Washington was built by Budd in 1947, later went to Amtrak, and is now/was the 'Silver Palm Restaurant' in Chicago (at the corner of Milwaukee Ave. and Ogden St.).
4 of the 7DB-2DR Bird-series sleepers (ex-14RM-2DR River-series, built by AC&F in 1950 and rebuilt in 1961) are listed: Jay Bird (ex-Cooper River), Honey Bird (ex-Ashley River; noted as deadheading, interestingly mid-consist), Blue Bird (ex-Cape Fear River), and Surf Bird (ex-Suwanee River [1st]). All 4 later went to Amtrak; Jay Bird is now stored in McCloud, CA.
Sources:
1. 'Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman-Standard' by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)
2. 'Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company' by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)
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> The consist on the right was identified as the Florida Special
> so I was wondering what the consist on the left identified.
Hand-written on the scan as the East Coast Champion.
Just some quick car notes.
Both ACL #103 and #106 were built by Budd as baggage-dorm-chairs in 1940 and 1947 respectively, both had their chair sections removed in 1951, and both went to Amtrak. #106 got converted to HEP and was still on the roster until it was sold in 2001, no clue where it went. Sister #107 also got HEP, retired in 1996, no info.
ACL #203 and #204 were both originally 60 seat chairs built by Budd in 1939, seating reduced to 56 in 1966, and both went to Amtrak. The #203 is/was at the Bluegrass RR Museum, Versailles, KY (formerly owned by the LA&L/WNY&P, and Steam Associates before that).
ACL #229, #234, #246, and #250 were all 54 seat chairs built by P-S in 1950, and all went to Amtrak. #234 was later acquired in 1977 by the MEC supposedly for MofW service, but it could have perhaps seen excursion duty? (Recalling some slides Marty Bernard posted here a ways back.) #242 was later acquired in 1980 by the Western NY RHS.
ACL #250 (2nd) was an additional 54 seat chair built in 1954 by P-S as a shell and completed by the ACL at Rocky Mount, originally planned as the #205 (2nd) but changed to #250 (2nd). Also went to Amtrak, to B.W. Wallace in 1983.
ACL Winter Haven was a 64 seat all-table diner, ex-C&O #1970 (52 seats), built by Budd for the cancelled Chessie, paired with a kitchen-dormitory, #128 (ex-C&O #1940; originally had a small lunch counter-lounge that was removed by the ACL in combination with the locker room to create a dorm space). 1 of 3 sets, all of which were acquired by the ACL and which later all went to the Auto Train Corp. (the all-table diners modified to 50 seat buffet lounges).
ACL Port Tampa was a 64 seat all-table diner, ex-C&O #1977 Swan Tavern, built by P-S, like the Winter Haven above, paired with a kitchen-dormitory, #125 (ex-C&O #1954 Swan Kitchen), 1 of 8 total sets, 2 sets were acquired by the ACL, and also both later went to the ATC (and again, the all-table diners modified to 50-seat buffet lounges).
Interesting that both of these above cars are not listed on the images shown as paired with their respective kitchen-dorms...were these being used as lounges only for coach class passengers at that point, or did the ACL simply not list the attached kitchens? (I do see that both are noted as 'TV' for 'tavern', so maybe that was indeed the case, in light meal/refreshment/lounge service only.)
4 of the 10-6 County-series sleepers built by P-S are listed: Pinellas County, Marion County, Putnam County, and Cumberland County. All 4 of these went to Amtrak; Pinellas County is/was stored down in San Luis Potosi, Mexico; Marion County was in the collection of the Indiana Transportation Museum but was scrapped in July 2018.
4 of the former NYC 4-4-2 Imperial-series (later Bridge-series) sleepers that ACL acquired in 1962 and modified to 4DR-4C sleepers (by replacing the 4 DB's with 2 additional DR's) are listed: Savannah River (ex-NYC #10021 Bear Mountain Bridge, nee-Imperial Castle), Manatee River (ex-NYC #10029 Suspension Bridge, nee-Imperial Arch), Suwanee River (2nd) (ex-NYC #10025 High Bridge, ex-Imperial Mansion), and Ortega River (ex-NYC #10022 Bay Bridge, nee-Imperial Falls).
Virginia Beach and Ponte Vedra Beach are both 6DB sleeper-buffet lounges, and both went to Amtrak. Virginia Beach is now owned by the Louisiana RR Heritage Trust and Ponte Vedra Beach is now owned by the Wisconsin Great Northern.
48 seat diner Orlando, nee-18 seat diner-24 seat lounge St. Petersburg, built by Budd in 1947, renamed in 1950, reconfigured in 1952, wrecked in 1968 at Winter Haven, FL.
48 seat diner Washington was built by Budd in 1947, later went to Amtrak, and is now/was the 'Silver Palm Restaurant' in Chicago (at the corner of Milwaukee Ave. and Ogden St.).
4 of the 7DB-2DR Bird-series sleepers (ex-14RM-2DR River-series, built by AC&F in 1950 and rebuilt in 1961) are listed: Jay Bird (ex-Cooper River), Honey Bird (ex-Ashley River; noted as deadheading, interestingly mid-consist), Blue Bird (ex-Cape Fear River), and Surf Bird (ex-Suwanee River [1st]). All 4 later went to Amtrak; Jay Bird is now stored in McCloud, CA.
Sources:
1. 'Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman-Standard' by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)
2. 'Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company' by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)
